Thursday, June 28, 2007
Sessions also says that the Sergeant-at-Arms has informed him that the Senate phone lines are broken down due to the intensity of the phone call volume.
He told me that he thinks Lindsey Graham is just running scared at this point. He's up for re-election in 2008, his poll numbers are plunging, and talk radio and the conservative blogs are mercilessly beating him up every day. So, he's looking for some kind of fig leaf to use as protection. He added that unfortunately for Graham, the touchback provision probably wouldn't cut it. For the most part, the base isn't impressed with it, and most of the people who support that provision are already inclined to support amnesty anyway.
On Jim Webb (e.a.):
From there, he noted that James Webb has told multiple senators that he voted in favor of the first cloture vote because he had his arm twisted, but he didn't like how he was treated, and had no intention of voting for the second one. Still, he said don't count Webb as a definite vote against cloture because he might get his arm twisted again.
Webb's arm was twisted out of socket on cloture on motion to proceed, and rumor is he will vote no on cloture motion... But honestly I think he's a toss up.And:
Burr supposedly came out publicly as no on cloture - I didn't hear or see... But rumor is that he'll be a no on cloture...
Bond I think is good...
Rumor is that Bayh is potentially a flip which would mix things up a bit...[Bayh--flipped to be against cloture last time...--NA]]
Though, I would add Nelson in too... I think Bond is most solid and then Domenici, Burr and Nelson (55/45)... Then Webb (50/50), then Ensign (45/55)...
Bloomberg article is right that Gregg, Bingaman, Murkowski, Pryor, Stevens are undecided but possible...
Burr now seems publicly against cloture as is Nelson. So we seem to be at 3 pretty well confirmed switches--Domenici, Burr, and Nelson--against cloture, and Bond seems pretty strongly against cloture. So we seem to be at 4 switches.....Does any one have any others?
Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Burr (R-NC)
Domenici (D-NM)
Gregg (R-NH)
Ensign (R-NV)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AL)
Webb (D-VA)
Of those 9, Bond and Domenici seem fairly strong against cloture, and Webb and Burr seem like they may be leaning in that direction. Domenici may pull his fellow New Mexican Bingaman with him. With rumors that, over the past few days, funds have dried up at the National Republican Senatorial Committee because its chair, Ensign, voted in favor of the bill, he seems to be feeling some pressure. Nelson says he usually support cloture motions, but we've been getting a lot of mixed signals from him...See UPDATE below: Burr and Nelson tell FOX they're against cloture...UPDATE: Webb may still be leaning in favor of cloture
Whom else could I think of as a possibility for switching to be against cloture? Some guesses:
Brown (D-OH): with labor's opposition to this bill, I think he could be a possibility...
Coleman (R-MN): up for re-election, may switch against cloture if he feels cloture will fail anyways
Collins (R-ME): up for re-election, seems under a fair amount of pressure
Conrad (D-ND): fellow N. Dakotan Dorgan is a leading critic of this bill
Murkowski (R-AK): says she has reservations....
Who could switch from being against cloture to being in favor of it? Guesses:
Bayh (D-IN)
Cochran (R-MS): said he was going to vote in favor of cloture but then switched--very unpredictable...
Hatch (R-UT): I don't know how much pressure he's feeling...
Stabenow (D-MI): switched to vote against cloture last time--she was against last year's Senate immigration bill, but she was also up for re-election last year...
But this is a very hard-fought bill, and there's so much pressure being applied on both sides, that I wouldn't be surprised if there were some unlisted switches going on.
As a Senate source suggested to me, it will be very uncomfortable for any Senator who votes in favor of cloture if cloture gets only 60 votes--then every attack ad against a pro-cloture senator could call that Senator the "deciding vote" in favor of cloture.
UPDATE: Bloomberg News lists the following undecided votes:
Republicans Richard Burr of North Carolina and Christopher Bond of Missouri and Democrat Ben Nelson of Nebraska said they oppose permitting a vote on final passage. Virginia Democrat Jim Webb and Republicans John Ensign of Nevada and Pete Domenici of New Mexico said they were leaning that way.Brownback talks against the bill--but where does he stand on cloture?
......
Five other senators who voted to resume the debate said they are undecided on the next procedural test. They are Republicans Ted Stevens and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Judd Gregg of New Hampshire and Democrats Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico and Mark Pryor of Arkansas.
UPDATE: (Via a reader) A group supporting the "grand bargain" sends around this "action list" of senators they're concerned about:
- Senator Bingaman (D-NM)
- Senator Bayh (D-IN)
- Senator Domenici (R-NM)
- Senator Coleman (R-MN)
- Senator Brownback (R-KS)
- Senator Bennett (R-UT)
- Senator Gregg (R-NH)
- Senator Bond (R-MO)
- Senator Murkowski (R-AK)
- Senator Stevens (R-AK)
UPDATE: Well, according to FOX News Nelson is anti-cloture--as is Burr:
Late Wednesday, two Republicans, Sens. Kit Bond of Missouri and Richard Burr of North Carolina, told FOX News that they will switch their vote and not try to prevent the filibuster. One Democrat who never votes against cloture, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, also told FOX News that he will vote "no" this time.
"Enough is enough. There have been seven cloture votes I've voted yes on. This is an extraordinary circumstance. But enough is enough. ... This clay pigeon is looking like a dead duck," Nelson said.
Possibilities:
Bennett: maybe it's a possibility...Other possibilities: Could Maine Republicans Collins and Snow switch? I've heard they're under a lot of pressure. Conrad? What about Ensign? Will he switch to be against cloture?
Bingaman: If Domenici's switched, Bingaman may, too
Bond: Amendment tabled, seems like he'll switch to vote against cloture maybe
Burr: Sounds like he could be wobbling
Coleman: amendment won't be voted on (if it's voted on at all) until after cloture motion...
Domenici: has declared to be opposed to cloture
Nelson: some think that he's a "maybe," but I'm not so sure yet...he still sounds pro-cloture so far...
Pryor: Voted for cloture last time, but has been a bill skeptic
Webb: Amendment was tabled...
Will Baucus, Hatch, Bayh, etc. continue to stand against cloture?
At the Corner, a source tells Jim Boulet that, because Reid failed in his attempt to table the Baucus amendment, the Senate will not consider any more amendments until after the cloture motion. So all senators who say their support for the bill and cloture depend upon the fate of certain amendments may not know about these amendments until they cast their cloture votes...it could be close....
this is a big deal because Reid’s Clay Pigeon strategy relied on killing amendments so that he could continue his vice grip on the Senate floor. The result of this vote was the Baucus amendment remained alive and the clay pigeon strategy was temporarily derailed and thus Senators’ rights were restored. The remaining amendments in the clay pigeon will not be voted on now before the cloture vote. In all likelihood Reid will give up on the clay pigeon strategy and move that the next vote be on cloture tomorrow morning because he does not want this bill to be debated under regular Senate order. So now the Senate is moving fast towards a Thursday morning cloture vote (probably at 10:30) that is still a de facto vote for final passage of the amnesty bill.Hmmm....will other senators--especially the fence-sitting ones--go along with this?
Now it's 3 amendments: Grassley, Baucus, and Domenici (who's now switched to be against cloture).
WebbHutchison had an amendment for a touchback proposal, but that was tabled as well. The failing of this amendment may have influenced Domenici to switch against cloture. Will Webb still vote in favor of cloture?
Bond
So far, every amendment has been tabled.
Behind the scenes, the vote-trading deals are ongoing. A source tells me that some senators who were promised that their amendments would be included in the Reid amendment package are now being leaned on by Kennedy and the Grand Schemers to guarantee cloture votes in return. John Ensign is one of those senators.So they might have to trade not one but two cloture votes for a vote on their amendments. Will this work even if no amendment so far has had a full debate and every so far has been tabled?
Sessions claims American public supports more incremental measures for immigration changes...
“This is just another example of how this bill claims to do one thing but does something else entirely. It’s another example of an empty promise being used to buy votes for amnesty,” said Senator DeMint. “The supporters of this bill have been running around trying to convince people that this money will be used to secure the border first, but now we know that’s not the case. If you read the fine print, the bill says this money can also be used for amnesty.”
According to the CRS report provided to Senator DeMint, the mandatory spending in the bill could immediately be used for Z visas. It says, “(r)eceiving, processing, and adjudicating applications for the Z visa authorized by Title VI of the Act is one of the trigger mechanisms outlined in Section 1; this means that funding from the Immigration Security Account could be used for this purpose.”
In addition, the report says the funds could be used for Y visas and other programs once the trigger mechanisms have been met but it does not require the Secretary of Homeland Security to certify the trigger. The report says, “S. 1639 does not explicitly stipulate whether the certification required by Section 1 would have to take place prior to funding being made available for the additional purposes outlined in Section 2(C).”
“Not only can this money be used for things other then border security and enforcement, it looks like another backdoor trick to promote amnesty,” said Senator DeMint. “If Congress appropriates money later this year for the border, the money provided in this bill will turn into a slush fund the Administration can use to ensure illegal immigrants are legalized.”
By the way, my thanks to a reader for reporting that he was told Domenici would vote against cloture when he called his office; that's what caused me to write to his staff.
Vitter and Sessions offer some would-be objections. Sessions has been promised some time to speak and doesn't want that time to be in the "wee hours of the night" or morning. Quorum call! Negotiations...
Update: Specter calls for Webb amendment to be tabled. After this vote, Sessions gets recognized for "Morning Business" style debate until around 2:30.
South Carolina’sBut he's not threatening so much:Lindsey Graham , a Republican negotiator of the compromise legislation, said he would withdraw his support if the chamber fails to adopt one of the amendments he has offered. Graham’s proposal would require at least all illegal immigrants’ heads of households to “touchback” in their country of origin within three years of the bill’s enactment and before they receive Z visas that enable them to stay indefinitely in the United States.
So he might vote against the bill--but he's not saying he'll vote against cloture. And many skeptics of the bill think the "touchback" proposal is "fraud." Still, one wonders if even Graham is worried about his dropping approval ratings as a result of his support for this bill...Graham said his position to back away from the bill if the amendment is not adopted should not be interpreted as speaking for the coalition of senators, the so-called gang of 12, that put the bill together.
“That means
Lindsey Graham won’t vote for it,” he said. “What I have tried to do is put together an amendment at the end to address legitimate constructive criticism that will make this bill much stronger in the enforcement arena.”
Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., has two big amendments/criteria, according to his office. The first is an amendment to close a loophole for Social Security benefits; as the bill is written now, it allows immigrants to collect Social Security if they've committed identity theft or fraud. Ensign contends the bill as it stands encourages identity theft and fraud. The second is another amendment, part of interior enforcement package, is to create an "exit tracking system." Forty percent of illegal immigrants arrive here legally and overstay their visas. Ensign wants to have an exit tracking system to know who's here, who's left.Bond (h/t a reader) also has his own condition for switching.
Vitter says that this new package might be substantively different from the released version. He wants 5 hours to read new "mega-amendment." Reid objects.
speaks now on her own amendment: the "touchback."
Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Random list: This is (as usual) some very uninformed speculation, but, at the moment, if I had to pick some key swing votes for cloture, here's whom I'd maybe pick for votes opponents of this bill could gain: maybe Bingaman, Bond, Brown (if Bayh switched, so could he), Brownback, Burr, Conrad, Ensign, Levin, Pryor, and Webb. I also guess Coleman and Bennett could still switch if they felt the bill was going down...From reports I'm hearing, Nelson is still insisting that he will always vote to move the process forward on a bill (even though he did vote against cloture for an amendment just this May), so he still sounds like he'll support cloture.
Here are some votes they could lose: Bayh, Cochran, Hatch, maybe Stabenow, and maybe Tester.
But who knows? I certainly don't!
Washington, DC– The following is a statement issued by Senator Jim Webb on his vote to proceed to debate on the Immigration Bill. His vote has been consistent with past cloture votes to proceed to and continue debate on the Senate floor:
“I voted today to initiate debate on the immigration reform bill just as I voted on May 21 to initiate debate the first time the bill was brought up. Once amendments are considered, I will decide whether to vote on cloture to end debate, as I did on June 7 when I voted against cloture.
“I have introduced an amendment that narrows the scope of the bill by creating a path to legalization for those who have put down roots in this country and strikes the unworkable ‘touchback’ provision. I believe my amendment holds promise of finding a solid middle ground on which to base meaningful immigration reform. I look forward to a rigorous debate this week on my amendment and others.”
“The move to put the Senate in recess was preemptive on Reid’s part. Putting the Senate in recess ensures that bill opponents cannot seek recognition on the Senate floor and thereby offer amendments or opposes the bill in any way. In sum, it is just one more tool Reid is using to silence dissent. So there you have it. The Senate is closed on a Tuesday afternoon on a day when we are dealing with the massive-in-scope immigration ‘reform’ bill.”After all, we wouldn't want debate to get out of hand...
Right now, the United States Senate stands in recess... WHY? Because the Grand Bargainers (and make no mistake about who these folks are - Republicans hell bent on getting the deal done... ) are working to finalize a 300 plus page amendment (yes I said over 300 pages) which we have not even seen yet. Copies may appear sometime soon, but "only for the Grand Bargainers" until a little later...
If ever there is a time for Senators to be specifically put on the spot for a breach of faith with the American public, it is now... the process is terrible, the substance is terrible and if you think for a minute we should rely on the House of Representatives to stop the bill, think again.
At least the Republican leadership seems very intent on pushing this bill through...I wonder what this cute little (or maybe not so little) pigeon will look like!
If 60 Senators vote to make S. 1639 the pending business in the Senate on Tuesday, June 26 [As they did this afternoon--NA], Sen. Reid will immediately take the floor of the Senate and offer a 1st degree amdt. to S. 1639, and ask for the yeas and nays. This guarantees a roll call vote will occur on this amdt.This move may be made at 3:50...
He will then send a 2nd degree amdt to the desk and ask for the yeas and nays. This achieves the same for the 2nd degree amdt. He will then ask that the amdt. to be divided.
This amdt will automatically be divided into sections that can stand alone as individual amdts. In other words, his second degree amdt. may have 18 sections [Though I've heard that there are now maybe 24 amendments in this package--NA], and by using this procedure, he has now put in place 18 amdts. Since the yeas and nays were ordered, so he has now been guaranteed a roll call vote will occur on all of these sections by using the Rules of the Senate.
These sections are presumably going to contain the text of amdts he believes Republican and Democratic Senators wanted to offer when the Senate debated the last immigration bill a few weeks ago.
Now no other amdts are in order since he has placed his amdts in these specific places in the amendment process allowed by the Senate Rules. No other Senator can stop him from using these maneuvers since Sen. Reid has priority recognition over all other United States Senators. By Sen. Reid using this amendment process and calling for a division of his amdt., he can guarantee Senators that votes will occur on issues he has chosen to offer and on issues he believes will please enough Senators as to earn the 60 votes necessary to invoke cloture and pass the bill.
Sen. Reid will then send a cloture motion to the desk setting up the cloture vote for Thursday. The bill is now pending but no Senator can offer amdts because he is blocking them by using his priority recognition and offering his own amdts.
If 60 Senators vote on Thursday to limit debate on S. 1639, at the end of the 30 hours allowed by Senate Rule 22, votes will automatically begin, without further debate, on all of the Reid amdts in a back-to-back sequence. The final vote will be a vote on Final Passage of S. 1639, the Kennedy Immigration bill.
Here's part of the breakdown from my guess list:
Very Likely to Switch
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Craig (R-ID)
Gregg (R-NH)
Boxer (D-CA)
Bond (R-MO)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Coleman (R-MN)
Likely to Switch
Collins (R-ME)
Snowe (R-ME)
Domenici (R-NM)
Stevens (R-AK)
Warner (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Burr (R-NC)
Could very well switch
Hatch (R-UT)
Toss-ups
Webb (D-VA)
Ensign (R-NV)
And here's the list of anti-cloture to pro-cloture switchers:
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS) [didn't vote last time]
Burr (R-NC)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Gregg (R-NH)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Pryor (D-AR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stevens (R-AK)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
So there's a lot of overlap. I had Pryor as "Could Very Well Not Switch," so I was a little off with him, and I had Hatch as "Could Very Well Switch" (he eventually voted against cloture), so they were a little out of the order of my guess list. Also, I had Cochran as "Very Likely to Switch" because reports had him declaring in favor of cloture, but apparently he changed his mind (or leadership let him change his mind).
Bayh was a bit of a surprise to switch to be against cloture, but Stabenow's switch against cloture was a little more expected. Now, will both Bayh and Stabenow stay against cloture for ending debate on the bill?
| YEAs ---64 | ||
| Akaka (D-HI) Bennett (R-UT) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Bond (R-MO) Boxer (D-CA) Brown (D-OH) Brownback (R-KS) Burr (R-NC) Cantwell (D-WA) Cardin (D-MD) Carper (D-DE) Casey (D-PA) Clinton (D-NY) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Craig (R-ID) Dodd (D-CT) Domenici (R-NM) Durbin (D-IL) Ensign (R-NV) | Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Graham (R-SC) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Klobuchar (D-MN) Kohl (D-WI) Kyl (R-AZ) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (ID-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) | Menendez (D-NJ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murkowski (R-AK) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Obama (D-IL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Salazar (D-CO) Schumer (D-NY) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA) Webb (D-VA) Whitehouse (D-RI) Wyden (D-OR) |
| NAYs ---35 | ||
| Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Barrasso (R-WY) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Bunning (R-KY) Byrd (D-WV) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Corker (R-TN) Cornyn (R-TX) | Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Dorgan (D-ND) Enzi (R-WY) Grassley (R-IA) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Landrieu (D-LA) McCaskill (D-MO) | Roberts (R-KS) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sanders (I-VT) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Stabenow (D-MI) Sununu (R-NH) Tester (D-MT) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) |
| Not Voting - 1 | ||
| Johnson (D-SD) | ||
So who switched? Bayh and Stabenow voted to switch against cloture. The following switched to favor cloture:
Bennett (R-UT)So we're looking at 21 switches for cloture + 2 switches against cloture = Net gain of 19 votes for cloture (19+45=64).
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS) [didn't vote last time]
Burr (R-NC)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Gregg (R-NH)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Pryor (D-AR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stevens (R-AK)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Big surprise? Bayh switch to vote against cloture. Semi-surprise? Pryor switching to vote in favor; a lot of people had him as an opponent of cloture.
Yea to Nay (1)
Stabenow
Nay to Yea (17)
Bennett
Bingaman
Bond
Boxer
Burr
Coleman
Collins
Domenici
Ensign
Gregg
Lott
McConnell
Murkowski
Snowe
Stevens
Warner
Webb
NV to Yea (1)
Brownback
NV to Nay (3)
Barrasso
Coburn
Enzi
Everyone's working the floor!...
Interesting changes: Bennett, Burr, Coleman all for cloture
Murkowski: Aye on cloture
Bayh against? Never mind...I misheard...UPDATE: No, I didn't; he did vote against cloture
Tester stays against...Baucus stays against....
Nelson (D-NE) stays in favor of cloture...
Brownback backs cloture...
Webb and Warner back cloture....
Levin backs cloture; Stabenow turns against
Ensign backs cloture
64-35: Cloture passes
Action resumes at 2:15 EST
However, one Republican leadership aide told FOX News that the $4.4 billion is not nearly enough money to cover these substantial increases, warning against any guarantee that the provisions will be paid for down the road. "There's no way that's enough. So they'll have to appropriate more, and there's a big difference between authorizing and appropriating."The question a number of bill skeptics might ask: will those new authorized measures ever be funded?
Monday, June 25, 2007
So even if it passes the Senate this time, forces will work to ensure that this "touchback" provision does not make it into the final bill."It would be a huge blow, an enormous bill, if this [the touchback provision amendment] happens," said Cecilia Muñoz, vice president for policy at the National Council for La Raza, the largest Latino rights group.
But Muñoz and members of other immigrant rights groups said they will still support the bill's passage, while pressing for changes in the House or in eventual House-Senate negotiations.
"If this was the final bill, if this was going straight from the Senate floor to the Rose Garden signing ceremony, there would be full-throated opposition, but it's not. We still have another chamber to go through," said Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, which supports the bill.
Dear Senators Cornyn, Vitter, Dole, Sessions and DeMint:
Thank you for writing to me earlier today about my efforts to bring the comprehensive immigration reform bill back to the Senate floor.
As you know, the Senate was unable to complete action on the immigration bill earlier this month because a handful of Senators, including several of you, objected to my repeated efforts to call up further amendments to the bill. Following the unsuccessful cloture vote on June 7, a group of Senators including Minority Leader McConnell, Republican Conference Chairman Kyl and Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Specter, came to see me with a request that I bring the immigration bill back before the Senate under a procedure under which a large number of additional amendments could become pending to the bill.
The so-called “clay pigeon” procedure is unusual, and I would not have considered employing it in this instance without the full support of Senator McConnell. It seems to me appropriate for the two leaders to work together to overcome the tactics of a small number of Senators in order to allow the full Senate to debate an important national issue like immigration. The White House made clear that it also favors such a procedure, since the immigration bill is one of President Bush’s top priorities.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion that I intend to “shut off the debate” and that the procedure in question will “silence amendments instead of facilitate their debate.” On the contrary, I am working to facilitate debate on more than twenty additional amendments to the bill. In contrast, several of you objected when I tried to call up as few as five amendments during the earlier debate. The American people can see clearly who wants to debate immigration reform and who wants to shut off that debate.
Moreover, your claim that the Senate will only debate amendments which I “hand select” is plainly untrue. The dozen or so Republican amendments that will become pending to the bill have been selected by the Republican leadership, not by me.
In sum, I appreciate the concerns expressed in your letter but consider them misplaced. Senator McConnell and I have worked together in good faith to ensure a full, open and productive debate on a bill of overriding national importance that is supported by many Republicans and endorsed by President Bush.
Sincerely,
Geraghty claims:
This is a very big deal, because it means that several senators on the fence, who had felt that their amendments were the make-or-break factor in the bill, won't know whether their amendments are in the ones approved by McConnell.UPDATE: Malkin also comments on Reid's letter.
Sen. Barbara Boxer will vote today to let the immigration bill return to the floor but California's Democratic junior senator has not yet decided if she will support the comprehensive measure.She moves to "Very Likely to Switch."
Domenici has said that the bipartisan agreement reached on a comprehensive border security and immigration reform package represents the “best chance” to fix a broken U.S. system.If he calls it the "best chance," then it sounds as though he's likely to vote for cloture and, probably, the bill itself. He voted for last year's immigration bill.
Via Hotair.com, Burr is still on the fence; Boxer (D-CA) may still vote against cloture. Also, a reporter has suggested to Hot Air that Cochran (R-MS) and Bingaman (D-NM) will switch to vote in favor of cloture.
As a total, Lowry says reports suggest that there seem to be 34 somewhat solid votes against cloture. A source tells K-Lo:
Likely Republicans that are on the fence or undecided: Bond, Hatch, Burr, Coleman, Brownback, Ensign, Warner, Cochran, Collins, Snowe, Domenici, Murkowski, Stevens...Though it seems that Bond, at least, will vote in favor of the first cloture motion....but also, as K-Lo's source says, there's a lot of movement....
A reader just sent this:
Because I live in Virginia, I've been calling all of Senator Webb's offices to register my opposition to cloture on the immigration bill. I haven't been able to get through to his Washington office, but I actually got a live person on the phone at his Hampton Roads office. She told me that nothing has been officially announced, but that he'll be voting no on cloture. I don't know what that's worth, but if you want to post that online so that people can keep on calling him, I think it would be helpful. Keep the pressure on!
Would any Day In, Day Out readers who live in Virginia care to follow up?
UPDATE: Check out this ALIPAC forum. A number of posters report that Webb's office is telling them he will vote against cloture.
UPDATE II: Webb's still undecided. I just received this message from someone in his office:
The Senator has not disclosed whether he will vote for cloture or against it –– so I can deny that rumor.
Please let others know that he has not stated that he will vote against cloture. If that was conveyed in a call to our office, it was a misunderstanding.
So he's still on the fence (at least publicly)!
Someone following the immigration issue closely says White House representatives have been up on Capitol Hill in force today, trying to arm-twist as many "no" votes as possible. (Either the White House's claim of having 61 "yes" votes for closure is bunk, or they want a few extra for insurance.) For wavering senators, it's the phone lines ringing off the hook vs. the administration men sitting in their office lobbies.Paging Chertoff!
It is supported by 22% of Republicans, 23% of Democrats, and 22% of those not affiliated with either major party. It is opposed by 52% of Republicans, 50% of Democrats, and 48% of unaffiliateds.John Hawkins has a roundup of polls for the bill and some of its leading proponents and offers some speculation on the political implications of this bill for Republicans.
If there are 10 in play, these twelve senators may be amongst them according to some Hill sources:
Bond (R-Mo.), Bingaman (D-N.M.), Burr (R-N.C.), Boxer (D-Calif.), Cochran (R-Miss.), Conrad (D-N.D.), Ensign (R-Nev.), Levin (D-Mich.), Gregg (R-N.H.), Nelson (D-Neb.), Hatch (R-Utah), Webb (D-Va.).Though I think that Gregg is only in so much play: he says he'll vote in favor of proceeding to the bill (i.e. against cloture).
But this seems to have changed. It still sounds like there will be an initial cloture vote tomorrow, but, now, it sounds like there will be debate and votes on some amendments before the second cloture vote is called. From the Roll Call story cited below:
Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), a key supporter of the bill, told reporters on Friday that negotiators had agreed to try to consider as many amendments as possible before forcing a final cloture vote on the bill.
“Most Members would like to have an idea of what has passed or failed,” before deciding whether to support an end to debate.
Also, from the National Journal's Congress Daily:
While Senate leaders have agreed to a list of 24 immigration amendments that will receive floor votes, the procedures for how and when that occurs is still in flux.So it does seem as though some of these 24 (22 were originally reported) amendments will be voted on before the second cloture vote but which ones may be voted on before or after seems unknown at the moment.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl of Arizona, who helped write the bill, said last week that leaders want to dispense with as many amendments as possible before a second cloture vote.
What does this change mean? It's hard to say, but it could be a sign that the leadership is trying to shore up support for the bill and the second cloture motion: rather than agreeing to a second cloture motion without knowing the fate of some of the amendments, some senators may be insisting on waiting until after some votes.
This change could also be a way of trying to gain support for the first cloture motion. If there wouldn't be any votes on amendments in between the first and second cloture motions, a senator who voted "yes" on the first cloture would then have a harder time switching to vote against cloture on the second motion (and this second cloture would then lead to an up-or-down vote on the bill itself). By letting some votes happen on some amendments between the cloture motions, the leadership may be trying to say to reluctant senators, "At least vote in favor of the first cloture motion--let us bring the bill to the floor--and, then, if you're unhappy with the amendment results, you can then decide to vote against cloture the second time if you want."
So maybe the leadership and backers of this bill are maybe just a little worried about the success of the first cloture motion (let alone the second...). But who knows!? There are just so many layers to these maneuvers!
Of course, as Jim Geraghty reports, this worry about the success of the first cloture motion would be gratifying to opponents of the immigration bill:
And, Geraghty suggests, these pre-second cloture amendments may not be that significant for the bill as a whole:Some Republicans on the fence are going to try to have it both ways - vote to bring it back to the floor, so they can get their amendments considered, but not necessarily promise to vote for a) cloture to cut off debate and b) passage. Nonetheless, bill opponents should not forgive a vote to bring it back to the floor, I'm told. They're within a few votes of killing the deal before it comes back; why take the chance on a later vote?
2. The fact that senators are announcing how they will vote on a "procedural" vote is a huge sign of how much pressure they're feeling. For opponents, it's reason for very cautious optimism.
3. A loss tomorrow means there are still two more chances to kill the bill; still, a good opportunity will have been missed.
The cloture vote may come before, or after, consideration of certain amendments. Skeptics should not be all that impressed with amendments approved by Reid and Kennedy. Less likely than "poison pills" are "fig leaf" amendments that improve the bill in cosmetic ways, but don't significantly address the real problems with the bill.UPDATE: From today's Senate "Whip Notice" (emphasis added; H/T a reader):
However, if the motion is filed on Tuesday, the vote on the cloture motion itself will "lie over" for a little bit; perhaps a vote may be expected on that motion on Thursday.Tuesday, June 26 and Balance of the Week:
On Tuesday at 11:30am, the Senate will proceed to a Roll Call Vote on the motion to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to H.R. 800, the Card Check bill. If cloture is invoked on the motion to proceed to H.R. 800, the motion to proceed will be agreed to. The Senate will then immediately vote on cloture on the motion to proceed to S. 1639, the Immigration bill. If cloture is invoked on the motion to proceed to S. 1639, the motion to proceed will be agreed to. After the disposition of all post-cloture debate time on S. 1639, there will be 20 minutes of debate, equally divided, on a motion to waive the Budget Act in response to a budget point of order made by Senator Sessions or his designee. If the Senate is considering S. 1639 on Wednesday, June 27, Senator Sessions will be recognized to speak for 2 hours.
If cloture is invoked on the motion to proceed to the Immigration bill; it is expected that the Majority Leader will file a cloture motion on the bill itself on Tuesday night.
-Roll Call Votes are expected throughout the week with late nights possible.
I can’t emphasize enough to you how important the perception game is in this town...I’ve heard that they only have 55 votes on this, and no one wants to be the 58th or 59th vote for amnesty.And how do we get to this 55? From this Roll Call story (hidden behind a subscription wall and emphasis added):
Even so, Durbin has warned Republicans repeatedly that Democrats will be able to muster no more than 37 votes of the 60 needed to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to the bill.
“Thirty-seven votes is our high-water mark,” said Durbin on Friday. “We may not be able to get that again.”
But even if Democrats can deliver those votes, Republicans will still have to produce at least 23 votes — a feat GOP backers of the bill said is doable but not assured.
Is Durbin trying to play the expectations game himself here and lowball the support for cloture among Democrats, or is he offering an accurate estimation of Democratic support? If so, presuming that there are 49 Democrats (and 2 Independents), that means 13 Democrats may vote "no" on cloture (or 12 may vote "no" and Tim Johnson [D-SD] may not vote at all). Last time, 37 Democrats voted in favor of cloture, so is anyone switching one way or another? Or is Durbin being coy....or is he counting Lieberman and Sanders as "Democrats"**? Last time, 7 Republicans voted in favor of cloture, so they may need 16 more Republican votes...And if my Senate source has heard right, and there are only 55 pledged votes in favor of cloture, have only 18 to 16 Republicans pledged their votes? 18's still 5 votes away from 23....
But back to the "perception game." Norm Coleman (R-MN) and Bob Bennett (R-UT), who both voted against cloture last time, may be susceptible. A lobbyist emails Mark Krikorian about them (e.a.):
they pretty hopeless but that we should continue to pound them as if they are a possibility. If they feel cloture is close to failing they may decide they are politically better off to switch.So do Coleman and Bennett want to be votes 58 and 59 for cloture? Especially now that Sen. Voinovich (R-OH), who voted in favor of cloture last time, may now be unsure about voting in favor of cloture (H/T Malkin)?
**Counting Lieberman as a "Democrat," 38 Democrats voted in favor of cloture. Sanders seems, from reports, to be a cloture skeptic, but I don't know for sure.
Sunday, June 24, 2007
Technology companies such as Google Inc., the Mountain View, California-based owner of the most popular Internet search engine, and Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft Corp., the world's largest software maker, are concentrating on Republican senators such as Christopher Bond of Missouri, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire and Bob Bennett of Utah.
And:
Religious and Latino groups have also kicked into high gear. Kevin Applebee, director of migration and refugee policy for the Washington-based U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said his group is focusing on about eight senators, including Republicans Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, Pete Domenici of New Mexico, and John Warner of Virginia.(Emphasis added in both quotes)
Have they been making progress?
WALLACE: So would you revive the fairness doctrine?FEINSTEIN: Well, I'm looking at it, as a matter of fact, Chris, because I think there ought to be an opportunity to present the other side. And unfortunately, talk radio is overwhelmingly one way.
WALLACE: But the argument would be it's the marketplace, and if liberals want to put on their own talk radio, they can put it on. At this point, they don't seem to be able to find much of a market.
FEINSTEIN: Well, apparently, there have been problems. It is growing. But I do believe in fairness. I remember when there was a fairness doctrine, and I think there was much more serious correct reporting to people.
The two-strike bill amounts to a death penalty for any business caught dealing in illegal labor two times in three years. First-time offenders would have their license suspended.Plenty of people are hoping she does veto this bill:
The phone calls came in English and Spanish, offering not-so-subtle advice on a bill the governor has until July 3 to act upon. On Friday alone, the Governor's Office received 28 phone calls asking her to sign House Bill 2779 and 128 requesting a veto.
But the real full-court press begins Monday when members of the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce plan to coordinate their efforts in pressuring Napolitano by phone and e-mail and in person.
The message: Wait for federal reform and send the state proposal packing.
Millions of dollars in sales tax revenue for Suffolk were imperiled Thursday by a dispute between Levy and the Black, Puerto Rican, Hispanic and Asian Legislative Caucus, a group of minority members of the Assembly upset over his unbending stand against illegal immigration and his opposition to a hiring hall for laborers.
In a rare move, the minority lawmakers forced a sales-tax bill for Suffolk to be tabled in protest of Levy. He has responded angrily, vowing not to bow to pressure by worker advocates to open a hiring hall for day laborers. He said he would rather forgo the estimated $300 million the county would generate if the bill became law.
On Friday, caucus Chairman Darryl Towns (D-Brooklyn,) said the caucus had to get involved. Members represent a political alliance that strives to give minorities, middle-class, the poor and the working poor a voice in state government.
"Some of the positions that he's taken concern us, especially being sons and daughters of immigrants," Towns said. "We wanted to take an opportunity, to put him back in the global thought. We're state legislators and the caucus has expanded to the point that we are not just legislators from New York City."